LEWIS: No, I wouldn’t say that at all. LEWIS: One of our club members takes a Shark here that’s caught off the coast of Chile. CRAWFORD: Including the White Pointers specifically? He maintained that they were habit forming, with the activities of the shore bays - the Whaling station there. LEWIS: No, we were just down there, "Here goes all this rubbish going out," "Oh hell, here goes a big fish," you know? Now whether the animals died of natural causes, and it's just been ... CRAWFORD: But the wounds you have been seeing - do you get that kind of wounding, unless a predator has taken a crack at it? Those fish really weren’t recorded for the books. LEWIS: Fishing practices. CRAWFORD: Ok. Getting back to your Shark drift fishing, Was this largely a seasonal thing as well? If the water was a bit rough, if it was surging back and forth in the boat, it stirred the berley up a hell of a lot, that made it go quickly. That’s actual live fish. Hi Kerry . A lot of times when there’s a White Pointer observation, people may see the fish, and it could be a large fish - but unless the fish happens to roll over, it’s unlikely that you’ll know if it’s male or female. They brought their own fishing vessel here, on their own free will. Of course, we never caught any Marlin over there. And I took up an apprenticeship to learn a trade as my parents did. We were armed, and had a pocket full of ammunition. LEWIS: Now we’re getting to the cross-over of the early days of Otago Harbour. CRAWFORD: Roughly how many boxes of offal might go over - on average? LEWIS: Management of all the Sharks and you know, this is not the local level, this is the national level. CRAWFORD: Have you ever seen, or heard from others about seeing, multiple White Pointers travelling together? They weren’t big fish, verging between 4 to 10 kg. LEWIS: Well, you couldn’t say. I also personally spoke to a couple of divers who went out and checked the nets, and they caught various marine things including Sevengill Sharks, Porbeagle Sharks, Thresher Sharks, a couple of Mako Sharks. Given the water clarity, location, you could certainly see these fish. But by the age of five, I did have my own small boat. LEWIS: Very much so. A big Whaling station. I have cousins who are older than my father. And it wasn’t going to get away by me, no matter what. And Moeraki, but I think that was more or less identified as a Sevengill Shark. Do you think that they were feeding events? And the shallowness of the channel. They’d clean all the way to the harbour. It’d be no more than 2-3 inches. CRAWFORD: There could be variations. CRAWFORD: You're saying these Shark nets were clearly visible? You go over there, and it's just a 1.5-2 metre Blue Shark, you know? LEWIS: Not really. LEWIS: I suppose since they were pumping the boat, big square boxes pumping water, and blood coming out, just enough. You might save up a couple of years, and then go another migration two to three years down the road. LEWIS: I can even name the fellow who looked after the first big release on the Portobello Marine Station over there - Gerry Wing. When we were over there though, you realize, I couldn’t see the point of travelling from a very prolific Shark fishery here - right across to the other side of the country - to catch another damn Shark. Age five, I think, when you got your own boat? For instance, up and down the coast here. LEWIS: No, they never said that. CRAWFORD: And the terrestrial component would be 10% of your time now? [laughs] In relation to what we’ve been fishing for, something that size, or that bulk, comes past, its classed as Big. LEWIS: Three years ago, I sold my sports fishing boat. So, it was just laying in the deep water beside the boat. CRAWFORD: Was your adventure level fairly high? CRAWFORD: Did you ever think there was a relationship between tidal conditions and the response of the Sharks? Something in the brain says "I recognize that source or that type of source, and associate it with food or scent." Promo edit of 2012 NZ-1 Offshore Champions Fairview Windows & Doors Warren Lewis - Throttles, Flea Koolen - Driver Music by Foo fighters - Pretender. CRAWFORD: That’s one of your ten observations in the harbour. There was an old fisherman out of Carey’s Bay, south of here - Bill Attfield. Fishing at high tide when the tide came in. So, a lot of time was spent south of Dunedin then - fishing the areas off Taieri Mouth River. CRAWFORD: Seasonal, in part because of the nature of the harvest, but seasonal in part because you had other things to do? But in our visual line of sight, it never popped up. But I’ve heard of a Shark mouthing the motor or something like that. LEWIS: Most of the Shark fishing with my own vessel was around the Otago Peninsula, but we also we were trailer-borne. It was probably only for about three or four minutes. LEWIS: Around Port Chalmers, the peninsula. But no, I don’t think he sold it commercially or anything like that. CRAWFORD: Why do you figure that area is so prolific? LEWIS: No, not really. LEWIS: In terms of fatal attacks, they’ve all been in my lifespan. And there was also the attraction of the Albacore Tuna. CRAWFORD: But it was always a substantial past-time, in addition to other things that you were doing? Christchurch, N.Z. These Sharks are opportunistic feeders. But very avid on the sport fishery itself. With downriggers and gauges. But not now. All of those sites are gone now; been reclaimed and filled in. They were headed straight out. Had they been fishing, and maybe had been gutting or cleaning fish on the boat? Very seasonal fishing. You were about 40 years old? It was a 6 metre+ fish with photographic records. CRAWFORD: But as you know, the possibility of sighting a Shark below the surface is much reduced as well. Whether or not the animals are able to learn something like that, how long can they remember it, and how long do they respond ... CRAWFORD: Yes - the social component of learning. CRAWFORD: And he was contracted to repair the holes in these DCC Shark nets? CRAWFORD: How many of those nets would go out on a given day? But because of the protection status on these White Sharks, you know, it's just kept in house. CRAWFORD: Were there other people out there, Shark fishing as well? CRAWFORD: Did the old-timers have any other observations of unusual behaviour, or anything else that they saw of the White Pointers back in the day? CRAWFORD: Did your grandfather ever talk about the White Pointers responding to the [Otago] fish sheds? This took me 12 years and $22,000 before I actually hooked and released my first Marlin successfully. They were in the harbour all the time, these Sharks. But all the Sharks in those days were either 12, 14, 16, or 18 feet long. [laughs]. LEWIS: That would probably be the far north. LEWIS: Oh yes. That was fished commercially, but it was ripped on the Otago Harbour at the entrance in 1870, something like that. Recreational hunting. LEWIS: About 18-19. CRAWFORD: But they were fishing year-round? Only a 4-inch mesh net. CRAWFORD: You spent most of your time in the lower harbour anyways? Lewis won the Labour Party nomination for Whanganui in 2017 ahead of district councillor Philippa Baker-Hogan and moved from Wellington back to Whanganui to campaign full time. LEWIS: I still had a small dinghy for fishing in the harbour. CRAWFORD: Ball up. and stuff like that. Perhaps 60% aquatic. How did the fish sheds deal with their refuse? But there’d be cases where the boxes which had the fish in them, also had the frames. On the outgoing tide, we set the drums, and I remember the 12-gallon drum going 'blup blup’ and then disappeared. CRAWFORD: Just to give a sense of geography, what other places around New Zealand coastal waters would have something on the same order of magnitude as the Otago Peninsula - when it comes to pelagic Sharks? CRAWFORD: I was getting the impression that for sport fishing, for the big Sharks, it was the same technique for all of the different species. CRAWFORD: Cliff shooting. Very seldom do we get more than six miles offshore. You just went and caught a Shark. Probably no more than 10. CRAWFORD: Pupping - therefore observations of big females. Son of Lewis Benjamin and Alice Warren, of New Zealand FRANCE - ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY 1917Oct12 39129 L/Corporal WARRING Joseph NZRB KIA France Son of Jane Emma Warring, of Murchison, Nelson, New Zealand, and the late William Henry Warring. Was this mostly in the harbour, early days? LEWIS: Probably from the very early days. My recollection was "Holy hell, that’s a big fish!" Though my grandfather, when they arrived in 1862, they had a barque called the Blanch Barley. But the New Zealand Big Game Fishing Council was then, and we had a couple of club competitions. And I believe that’s the largest ever. And we’d have the trout fishing. I have a White Shark tooth, caught in 1914. Totally illegal. CRAWFORD: What was your thinking was back in the day, about why these White Pointers were up north there? CRAWFORD: Ok. CRAWFORD: Let's pull that apart. CRAWFORD: Let's do the ranking about the effect of Māori culture knowledge on your understanding of the New Zealand coastal ecosystem. There is one of the boats in the Maritime Museum down at Port [Chalmers]. CRAWFORD: Did you ever go to the outside of the peninsula? CRAWFORD: Was this still recreation for you at the time? LEWIS: Rabbits, fish, Barracouta. CRAWFORD: What have you picked up so far from that? God knows what the stench was. But then I got very involved in clay target shooting, and got very competitive, and was relatively successful in that. LEWIS: 1963/64. Very, very prolific fishery down there for Blue Cod and Groper. This was long before they were released fisheries into the harbour. CRAWFORD: But it hasn’t necessarily crossed over in a meaningful way to you and your Shark fishing community? The big one made the other big ones look smaller. CRAWFORD: You had said something earlier about, not just that the nets were bottom-set, but that the height was about 6 metres? We eventually joined, and for which I got heavily involved. The method they used was to tire them out on the drums, then stick these long lances or harpoons into them, subdue them, and row and pull the things ashore onto the beach. The rope tightened, then the 45-gallon drum, which is a large bin you know, it also half submerged. LEWIS: Oh, yeah. But it just sprang off like a rifle shot. The amount of injuries you physically see on the Seals has increased 10-fold. So, yes it was seasonal. It was an absolute mess. LEWIS: Fiordland - I wouldn’t be able to recall names now, because it's been so long. But I purchased an ex-commercial fishing boat, which is a large displacement boat, and it's extremely slow. I would try to get out maybe roughly 12 times a year. Warren Lewis returned to FMI Racing following his retirement two years ago convincingly winning, Placemakers Pakuranga and GJ Gardner Manukau Thunder on the Coast 2015 with Andrew Koolen, at Beachlands in Auckland. He was a fisherman out of Port Chalmers. But in those days, you could apply to the Ministry of Fisheries to get a permit to fish. I began fishing for all types of stuff. CRAWFORD: Give me some sense of the depth of the top harbour. You were fishing alongside the boat, under the boat, round the ships. CRAWFORD: When did that happen? We saw them fishing Sharks several times over the years. Lewis & Barrow is a multi-disciplined Professional Consulting Engineering Firm specialising in all areas of structural and civil engineering design, documentation, project management and architectural design.We can start with you from the beginning -Our expertise in providing site investigation and feasibility, through the concept and development stages, leading into tender and construction of the project will ensure your project is delivered to the highest standard in the most innovative and efficient manner. As opportunities for the inshore fishery had been there, "Done that" you know? Late-50s through the ‘60s, Uncle Bert used to do that. But this idea that there is migratory behaviour, that doesn’t mean that individual animals necessarily have to do the full loop every year. LEWIS: They are pelagic fish-eaters. I know up at Taieri Mouth, it was what we call a Hāpuku or a Groper. Some of them were floated no more than 6, perhaps 8, metres from the bottom, just my basic recollection. LEWIS: We would start mid-December, and fish extremely hard through to mid-April. My employer was a private painter and decorator in Dunedin, and the work was based in there. There have been about 10 reported sightings since the 1990s and MPI aren't ruling out a case of mistaken identity, but Ms Kavanagh, an entrepreneur and hotelier, said she knows what she saw. CRAWFORD: But it also tells you something about the nature of the Shark. We had a phenomenal Salmon fishery in the Otago Harbour - to the stage that there were no limits or regulations regarding that Salmon fishery. Was it chomping on the boat? And the idea that they were more prevalent then than now. CRAWFORD: Were you line fishing at the time? But as far as sports fishing goes, at the club level, and just general recreational fishing, no. The damn thing rolled, and he got between the boat and the fish. CRAWFORD: You were just out there at the time? And not to the degree they are today. CRAWFORD: Tell me about the baiting then. LEWIS: Well, let's just say, the ones at the Taiaroa Head offal dump - I think that’s an unnatural thing. It was only nose deep in the net, to grab the fish. For example, on Saturday, I had a report from a fellow who we know, who went down for an early pass on Cape Saunders here, and he said he had a very big tail of a fish come out, behind the boat. LEWIS: Out of the harbour here, my uncles worked on the inshore trawlers. It's not like you see on the cartoons, with the big circle fin you know. I use it to borrow it and the outboard motor. CRAWFORD: Sure. longer than that. LEWIS: Oh, you know - no more than 15 or 20 metres. LEWIS: Fishing was still my principal recreational past-time, on the aquatic side. CRAWFORD: For personal consumption. LEWIS: Yeah. CRAWFORD: But there was substantial enough quantity that there was enough offal actually making it to the surface of the water? CRAWFORD: You mentioned tagging. I think we can work out the math on this one. The boat was just sitting there, tied up. Very much alive. LEWIS: Oh, no. CRAWFORD: When fish cleaning was happening inside the harbour, were there preferred places that were more convenient than others? How many Level 1 observations, versus Level 2 swim-bys, or interest visits? They were the two major Salmon runs. Huge splash, you know? You full on keep that bait supply up. 1-3). It doesn’t take much to put the scent in the water. We never really pursued. LEWIS: Oh. CRAWFORD: Nearshore, but outside of the harbour. Christchurch, Canterbury, 8013. CRAWFORD: 'Terrible fish' in terms of what? Stayed out in the Bay of Islands, the Urupukapuka Island. CRAWFORD: Was it the case that people came in from elsewhere to fish Sharks around the Otago Peninsula? A lot of people took advantage of the workers on the port, and he continued on there for 40-odd years. Put an anchor down and clean. No, it wasn’t that. Incidental bycatch, you know? Although I’ve had my grandfather’s relation, the one with the Shark approached and broke the oars of the boat. We had a wild fishery in this harbour long before the Salmon fishery was enhanced. My father would say “Hold on to your nose,” and he’d pour this rubbish down you, and it would give all cures. Warren holds a multitude of licences and is an extremely experienced driver, having driven big rigs in Australia and New Zealand. It costs me more money. I decided I’m now going back to my land-based hunting. And then what’s to stop these Sharks swimming 50 to 100 metres on a flood tide, and swimming into the harbour? 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